Brain still wants pie on Tirz?

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So, I started on Tirz a while back, and at first, it really helped curb my cravings. But now it's like my mind is fighting back. I know I can't go wild eating whatever I want. The results would be awful!

It's just, I've struggled with my weight my whole life, and it's like those old cravings are just as strong as ever. Most people seem to have some success or at least see some changes, but I haven't really had that experience. I am seeing a little budge in weight but...am I just weird?

Anyone else still craving burgers or fries all the time, even on 15mg? I still get cravings for those nasty gas station apple pies. 🤷
 
How quickly did you increase your dosage? I heard that increasing the dose too quickly can be counterproductive.
 
You're fighting the mental game while the meds do their thing. That's not weird, that's STRONG. Most people would give in, but you're hanging in there! I love those sugar-free lollipops! Anyone got tips on avoiding those?
 
It might be that Tirz isn't the right med for you. I don't think you're a lost cause! Reta completely changed my relationship with food right away. I haven't used sema, or any of those other ones we discuss here. I can't say what would work, but maybe tirz alone isn't enough for you. Maybe our community can give some insight.
 
How long have you been on it, and how many different sources have you used? There's some bad stuff going around now and then. Try Reta and go up from there, maybe add 1mg of Sema. Reta changes your metabolism. I drive for 10+ hours a day, no cardio, and lift weights for 30 minutes a few times a week. Tirz only got me like 6 lbs off. Reta got me another 15+ over a year. If you aren't in a calorie deficit and not burning calories, it's super slow. People eating 4000 calories and weighing 350 lbs will lose a ton. If you're closer to 200 lbs and don't eat much, not as much. If all else fails, look at your BP, liver enzymes, triglycerides, HDL, LDL, glucose, and A1c. If those are better after 6 months, it's still worth it.
 
I started with Mounjaro pens. They come with a sheet that shows the full titration schedule. So I followed their standard for increasing the dose.
 
This is wild. I'm around 2000 calories, maybe less. I am losing weight, but wow, it's hard. To be hungry, but afraid to eat (much). My work keeps me pretty busy. But in winter, it's like 5 hours instead of the whole day. This ain't lifting weights, it's hard labor outside.

Oh yeah, my labs are fine. I'm due for more in March. Thanks!
 
Check out Cagri. A lot of people say it completely kills appetite. I have some, but haven't tried it. I finally hit my goal weight with Tirz and Surv, but if I really want to stop my hunger, Cagri might do it. Your results may vary.
 
If your cravings are emotional, these peptides might not help. I think there's some talk, maybe proof, that some affect dopamine and can impact emotional eating. But I hear a lot of people with BED or other eating issues don't get the "I don't want food" effect that people who are always hungry get.

I have a history of BED, and they DO help me. But the help might be in my head. I don't want to look too closely at that.
 
Could it be water?

This might not apply, but I noticed when I was on lower doses and drank a lot of water, like a bunch of gulps, I felt full right away. It lasted a long time; I wasn’t even thirsty.

But even on a high dose and not hungry, my brain craves sugar randomly sometimes, for no reason. I usually give in a little since it's rare, and I try to keep it small.
 
Without knowing much about you, here's my take. I lost weight by stopping extreme hunger and rebound hunger by limiting my food choices. I avoided anything that could spike blood sugar or dopamine, causing extreme hunger.
If your issues are like binge eating or food addiction, this is important. I ate low-calorie-density foods (1.5kcal/gram or less) to limit hunger. Almost no fat, lots of lean meat, fruits, veggies, and no high-carb foods like bread or pasta. A little low-fat yogurt and 20g of dark chocolate once a day (it doesn't trigger hunger for some reason). Lots of low-fat protein is filling. Lean meat soup is great.
This diet is sustainable, healthy, and you can eat enough to not be hungry without too many calories. It's almost impossible to eat a ton of most fruits or veggies, even if full of sugar. To eat 1000 calories of fruit/veg is 2 kilos, which is hard to do even slowly all day. You can still eat twice that and lose weight. You also adjust so fruit tastes great, and you don't miss high-calorie foods. But I HAD to avoid high-calorie foods. It's worked for 3 years.
I lost the first 150+ lbs without GLPs because they were too expensive. I kept it off for a year, but it was hard. I was always hungry and metabolic adaptation meant I had to eat 1600-1800 kcal/day to maintain.
Ozempic wasn't too expensive at low doses, so I tried it for a year. It helped but made me nauseous. It made it easier to not be hungry. Then I found this forum, switched to 15mg Tirzepatide, and added 5mg of Retatrutide later after I was still a bit hungry. They helped a lot, feeling full after small meals (300 kcal or so), and less cravings for junk food. I lost another 15+ lbs in the past 7 months. I couldn't have lost the weight or kept it off without both the GLPs and the diet. I was in normal BMI range before, but couldn't stay there for long. I didn't understand my hunger or foods, and there were no GLPs. Avoiding high-calorie-density foods works for me and should be the easiest way to tolerate low calorie intake with the least hunger. BUT you need to avoid rich foods to reset your taste and prevent triggering extreme hunger. It's hard to stick to because you avoid a lot of popular foods, but it's easy in that you can eat as much as you need and still lose weight. And GLPs help make it easier!
 
I was gonna DM, but this might help others, maybe?

I've been on Phenofibrate forever (cholesterol med). Recently, studies showed it has side effects like 'over-emotional.' We cry at stupid things, and I used to wonder why.

This might be fighting the effects of another chemical. I won't know unless I stop one. (Not soon.) I don't think it's BED. Thanks for the thought. 😁 I'm still 'highly functional.' I do stuff. BTW, that might be my saving grace. 😇 Thanks!
 
I looked into Tesa, but it's probably better when you're almost at your goal. I'm not sure if you're there yet. I also read it can increase appetite and is about body fat redistribution, not weight loss. As soon as I read about increased appetite, I knew it wasn't for me right now...🤣

Since tirz did kill your appetite at first, you could try going above 15mg. I'm taking 17/18mg some weeks, and it's been fine. Lots of people take 20mg and have good results. I'm stacking tirz with a low dose of semaglutide since December, and that wiped out the mental thoughts about food. I like how sema feels on shot day and the days after. It's different than tirz.
 
I looked into Cagri and Sema too. Sema is cheap. But there's something to be said for simplicity. Reta might replace Tirz when it's approved. Medicine takes so long to get approved. By the time Reta is out, people will have moved on. It's nothing new.
 
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