Truthfully I never actually needed cagri in the first place, reta already handles everything on its own for me. Added it purely as an experiment, and what I'm finding now is that hunger, the appetite-quieting effect, and mental chatter around food all sit exactly where they were before, which was already essentially nonexistent, and layering cagri on top hasn't changed that baseline at all. What has shifted is that digestion's slowing down more noticeably than it did on reta alone. So I threw cagri in purely out of curiosity about the effect. Not a real necessity for me, though I'm leaning toward sticking with it regardless since it gets you full even faster now. Not exaggerating, five or six bites in and I'm done, completely satisfied. Though that's probably not the smartest move long term since I know it'll catch up as low energy eventually. Bottom line, if serious calorie cutting is the goal, combining cagri with reta is unreal for satiety, takes that full feeling to a whole different level, but it also slows digestion down to a crawl, food just sits there, bowel movements slow way down, and you end up full and never hungry around the clock.