Mystery GLP-1s: Am I nuts?

Yes, we are sure. A simple search online will show you several Chinese companies that make them for the big GLP companies. Many of those companies were started with venture capital from US Big Pharma. It's a fact.
 
I'm also a physician, and after my cardiologist suggested a GLP-1, I started researching. The brand name was going to cost $875 per month, because insurance wouldn't cover it. My PCP suggested a compounding pharmacy, which brought the price down to $285 per month. After finding the grey market and reading the article on reta, I decided to take the plunge. My doctors are thrilled with my progress (100lbs lost) and are monitoring me carefully. Now I'm falling down the rabbit hole looking at so many other peptides.
 
Are there any truly legal compounding pharmacies left, or are they all just waiting for a cease and desist letter? But yes, either way, they probably get the raw materials from the same overseas sources. There used to be some US companies that claimed to do their own lysophilization on the raws, but I'm not sure if that's still true. Some other folks here might know more about that.
 
They never state their sources publicly. But Big Pharma has said they aren't selling to compounders, so those raw materials have to be coming from somewhere.
 
The FDA has a list available of all the FDA-approved manufacturing facilities globally. These facilities are cleared to produce pharmaceuticals that can be imported into the US and then compounded by either 503a or 503b pharmacies. Drug companies like Lilly don’t have to be categorized as either because their final product has been tested and approved by the FDA. Lilly imports raw materials from China, tests them, processes them, packages them into pens, and then distributes them worldwide.
 
It's a good summary of the interview, but keep in mind that he mentions there are likely 2 suppliers for Reta (one of the newer and more complex peptides). His explanation is also reasonable, focusing on the economics of a well-established manufacturing process. Older, rarer, and less complex peptides like GHK-Cu likely have many more manufacturers, as do sema, and probably tirz. A chemist can contact different raw material manufacturers in China (who may also freeze-dry) to produce small quantities of peptides (less than 100 grams). Of course, it won't be $0.2-0.5/mg.
 
To play devil's advocate, how many airlocks do you get to get to your ISO 5 cleanroom?

I think the concern many have with filtering is that it might create a bigger problem.
 
I've been feeling that after filtering my last few vials, the chances of contamination just rise with all the extra steps (more syringes, more needle pokes, new vials). I think someone clever could do some cool math and figure out the probabilities. I'm guessing it'd show it's a wash unless you have some major setup for a sterile workspace.
 
Yup I'm still flabbergasted when people don't filter their solutions. So I always ask and try to make light of it, because I really am curious. And a lot of the new people don't know about it, so they have never even thought of it as an option to consider or ignore.

Personally, I don't see it being difficult but I have worked in a lab before. I don't use pens either, but those that do normally have pretty good experience with the whole process so it is a simple add on to just do it during that process. And I don't completely agree with the AI answer, they aren't accurate in some way or are throwing a guess in there most of the time, it is crazy. My own thought process has always been that we have zero control over the production, quality or the cleanliness of the labs, or shipping. It's the grey market and we just accept that. I do have control over the filtering and sterilization. I understand the sterilization process and the materials they are made of. Even if it filters out bacteria, bits that didn't dissolve, or debris one time it is worth it to me. It's just my personal preference to do it every time and I'm curious why others don't. I have heard the cost is too high. Or they just can't keep the area clean. Or I see others worried that it could cause the issue. And even further, many don't know what it is.
 
Bee_Gains860 said:
I'm also a physician, and after my cardiologist suggested a GLP-1, I started researching. The brand name was going to cost $875 per month, because insurance wouldn't cover it.
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That's insane! My insurance wouldn't cover it either at first, but my doctor was able to get a prior authorization after a few tries. Now I only pay about $25/month for Ozempic. Definitely worth appealing if you can!
 
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