This resonates a lot with me, and I treat food noise and hunger as two separate things. Background food chatter can persist even when your stomach is full, which explains why people binge or fixate on the idea of bingeing. I file food noise under mental and hunger under bodily. On reta, it reduced food noise somewhat at first, but I never felt physically full and in time the physical hunger became overwhelming, so I quit. Intense hunger drowns out every other thought about food, so both sides are involved. I tried cagri only briefly since I got nothing from it: neither the yearning nor the hunger dropped, it only made me tired. Tirz, my latest experiment, definitely lowers the physical hunger, but Im unsure about the food noise side. It helps, but not as strongly as I hoped.